Save Trafford Water Sports Centre Petition: Signature List Feed http://www.gopetition.com/signatures/save-trafford-water-sports-centre.html Online petition signatures en-us Sat, 18 Apr 2026 12:16 UTC GoPetition RSS Feed Generator Copyright 2026 GoPetition Master Anonymous [Signature #692] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/19261632?utm_medium=rss Sun, 6 Sep 2015 05:57:52 UTC 19261632 Mr Anonymous [Signature #691] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16931143?utm_medium=rss Mon, 3 Mar 2014 11:46:11 UTC 16931143 Anonymous [Signature #690] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16749799?utm_medium=rss As a minimum, use could possibly be limited to Groups/clubs who can supply their own safety cover.

]]> Fri, 7 Feb 2014 11:38:51 UTC 16749799 Mr Anonymous [Signature #689] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16724205?utm_medium=rss Mon, 3 Feb 2014 06:05:35 UTC 16724205 Mr Anonymous [Signature #688] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16724192?utm_medium=rss I am a Dinghy Instructor and totally disagree with the council's plans - yet another community hive shut down because of 'lack of funding' - disgraceful!

]]> Mon, 3 Feb 2014 05:59:37 UTC 16724192 Mr Anonymous [Signature #687] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16689402?utm_medium=rss I feel very saddened by the closure of this site.
I only found out about it very recently.
I would have liked to use the facility for water boarding but by using my own small speed boat.
I would have contributed to all reasonable charges for its use.
Very sad that the management could not come up to the same expectation as the site could offer a great deal.

]]> Mon, 27 Jan 2014 03:26:56 UTC 16689402 Mrs Anonymous [Signature #686] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16643442?utm_medium=rss Fri, 17 Jan 2014 05:56:04 UTC 16643442 Mrs Sara Young [Signature #685] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16617764?utm_medium=rss This is a very important area not just for the pleasure of people but for wildlife also please save it

]]> Mon, 13 Jan 2014 03:34:35 UTC 16617764 mr Anonymous [Signature #684] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16610393?utm_medium=rss Sun, 12 Jan 2014 10:53:00 UTC 16610393 Dr Andrew Hill [Signature #683] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16610102?utm_medium=rss It is disgraceful to close such a wonderful sports facility .It will be missed by anglers,sailors ,canoeists,windsurfers,water-skiers,jet-skiers,model boaters,children learning water-sports and all other users.Clearly none of the councillors enjoy these activities.

]]> Sun, 12 Jan 2014 09:37:09 UTC 16610102 Ms Helen Wilson [Signature #682] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16610052?utm_medium=rss Sun, 12 Jan 2014 09:23:56 UTC 16610052 Ms helen Dibble [Signature #681] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16608775?utm_medium=rss Sun, 12 Jan 2014 04:19:40 UTC 16608775 Miss Theresa Russell [Signature #680] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16606266?utm_medium=rss Sat, 11 Jan 2014 04:31:07 UTC 16606266 Ms Anonymous [Signature #679] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16605567?utm_medium=rss I remember the water-park being created and spend much of my leisure time in the area.

]]> Sat, 11 Jan 2014 01:09:36 UTC 16605567 Mrs Anonymous [Signature #678] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16605533?utm_medium=rss Sat, 11 Jan 2014 12:58:29 UTC 16605533 Mr Karunesh Nayar [Signature #677] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16605478?utm_medium=rss Sat, 11 Jan 2014 12:41:01 UTC 16605478 Mrs Vanessa Baker [Signature #676] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16605286?utm_medium=rss Sat, 11 Jan 2014 11:46:37 UTC 16605286 mr paul compson [Signature #675] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16600824?utm_medium=rss save this well used facality

]]> Fri, 10 Jan 2014 02:50:28 UTC 16600824 Mr Kevin Lomas [Signature #674] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16599508?utm_medium=rss I am disabled and use the water park for fishing and nature watching, I strongly appose the closure of the water sports centre.

]]> Fri, 10 Jan 2014 09:56:05 UTC 16599508 Miss Anonymous [Signature #673] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16577877?utm_medium=rss On my first ever visit to Sale in 1986 for a job interview i noticed the signpost for Sale Water Park as i turned off the M60. Visited this fantastic area with family and friends on many occasions. Alongside the Water Park, the Water Sports Centre provides so many vital options for the local community and other groups and individuals further afield. Please do whatever is necessary to keep the Water Sports Centre open.

]]> Wed, 8 Jan 2014 10:37:00 UTC 16577877 Mrs Tracy Banks [Signature #672] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16502873?utm_medium=rss Thu, 2 Jan 2014 10:55:47 UTC 16502873 Mr Jonathan Gray [Signature #671] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16474949?utm_medium=rss Don't close

]]> Wed, 25 Dec 2013 10:28:42 UTC 16474949 MR Patrick Riddick [Signature #670] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16474584?utm_medium=rss Wed, 25 Dec 2013 04:13:14 UTC 16474584 Mrs Helen Riddick [Signature #669] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16474583?utm_medium=rss Wed, 25 Dec 2013 04:11:09 UTC 16474583 Mr David Riddick [Signature #668] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16474458?utm_medium=rss Wed, 25 Dec 2013 02:35:10 UTC 16474458 Mrs Louise Smith [Signature #667] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16463954?utm_medium=rss Following the Olympics and Paralympics at which I was a volunteer we should be expanding the services for sports and outdoor activities rather than closing them. To foster a healthy mindset and lifestyle is a key investment in improving the social welfare in our area. It provides meaningful activity, new experiences, discipline and commitment and is a significant measure in reducing adverse behaviour.
Kindly consider the proposal to close the facility

]]> Sun, 22 Dec 2013 11:42:22 UTC 16463954 Mr Kevin Smith [Signature #666] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16463935?utm_medium=rss Following the Olympics and Paralympics at which I was a volunteer we should be expanding the services for sports and outdoor activities rather than closing them. To foster a healthy mindset and lifestyle is a key investment in improving the social welfare in our area. It provides meaningful activity, new experiences, discipline and commitment and is a significant measure in reducing adverse behaviour.
Kindly consider the proposal to close the facility

]]> Sun, 22 Dec 2013 11:35:01 UTC 16463935 Mr Mark Charlesworth [Signature #665] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16463789?utm_medium=rss Not to have had a vote about this is undemocratic

]]> Sun, 22 Dec 2013 10:50:06 UTC 16463789 Mrs Joanna Charlesworth [Signature #664] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16463768?utm_medium=rss The Activity Weeks for kids during the school holidays are fantastic and we would be very sad to lose them. We were also hoping to have sailing lessons there in spring. How about seeking sponsorship form some of the big corporate companies in the area like Tesco and Kelloggs!

]]> Sun, 22 Dec 2013 10:45:20 UTC 16463768 Mrs Kath Sherwood [Signature #663] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16463703?utm_medium=rss Sun, 22 Dec 2013 10:21:40 UTC 16463703 Mr Mike Schofield [Signature #662] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16461815?utm_medium=rss I started using TWSC only earlier this year. I've done my level 2 course there as well as using it a couple of other times too. It's a great place to come to sail and the staff are friendly and helpful. The nearest alternative sailing facilities are another 30 mins away for me at least, in Liverpool or the Lake District. I'll be said to see it go.

]]> Sat, 21 Dec 2013 10:52:02 UTC 16461815 Mrs Emma Cook [Signature #661] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16460774?utm_medium=rss Sat, 21 Dec 2013 04:57:38 UTC 16460774 Mrs Robina Cole [Signature #660] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16460426?utm_medium=rss Sat, 21 Dec 2013 03:25:28 UTC 16460426 Mr Christopher Reed [Signature #659] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16460376?utm_medium=rss My children attend the summer school at the water park and gave learnt to sail and canoe there. Real shame to lose this facility as the kids love the course and learn a lot there. There are no other facilities like it for miles around.

]]> Sat, 21 Dec 2013 03:10:29 UTC 16460376 Ms Sue Dewhurst [Signature #658] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16456757?utm_medium=rss I have gone from southport to sail at the water sports centre. We need to keep our watersports

]]> Fri, 20 Dec 2013 06:25:43 UTC 16456757 mrs Kelly ries [Signature #657] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16456747?utm_medium=rss Fri, 20 Dec 2013 06:22:08 UTC 16456747 Mrs Helen Donohue [Signature #656] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16453553?utm_medium=rss Fri, 20 Dec 2013 07:21:31 UTC 16453553 Mrs Clare McNicol [Signature #655] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16453463?utm_medium=rss It would be a tragedy to close down Sale Water Park, as so many enjoy not only the beauty of the area, but the facilites it has to offer.

]]> Fri, 20 Dec 2013 07:01:47 UTC 16453463 mr michael lennox [Signature #654] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16453031?utm_medium=rss Fri, 20 Dec 2013 04:50:12 UTC 16453031 mr Brad Markham [Signature #653] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16452827?utm_medium=rss Where was the consultation with the public and staff?

]]> Fri, 20 Dec 2013 03:40:36 UTC 16452827 Mr David Tracey [Signature #652] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16452533?utm_medium=rss Fri, 20 Dec 2013 02:17:32 UTC 16452533 Ms Rachael Cavanagh [Signature #651] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16452448?utm_medium=rss Fri, 20 Dec 2013 01:53:40 UTC 16452448 Mr Phil Taylor [Signature #650] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16450706?utm_medium=rss Thu, 19 Dec 2013 05:20:38 UTC 16450706 Mr Neil Smitham [Signature #649] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16450604?utm_medium=rss Great facility that it would a shame to lose for the area, and the extended area of users.
Dread to think what it will become if not managed.

]]> Thu, 19 Dec 2013 04:58:02 UTC 16450604 Miss Leah Parsons [Signature #648] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16449760?utm_medium=rss Thu, 19 Dec 2013 02:02:45 UTC 16449760 david ridgway [Signature #647] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16449496?utm_medium=rss Sale water Park is the only publicly accessible water sports centre in Manchester, the next useful facilities being Hollingworth Lake and Marton Mere which are a considerable distance away. The accounts for the past few years will show poor use due to factors not representative of people's desire to use the facilities. First the River Mersey bank was repaired which closed the lake for many months, secondly there have been infestations of weeds preventing the use of boats and windsurfers which was only treated properly and eradicated last year, thirdly, blue green algae seems to close the lake frequently. To top all of the above, it was decided to close the facilities on weekday evenings throughout the year preventing most working folk who would have liked to use the water from doing so. I cannot help but think that Trafford Council have forced this closure through poor management and little or no advertisement of the facilities. Sports facilities should be provided by councils at reasonable cost to the public as is the case in most other countries. Is my council tax only going to fund another meeting on what else we can close or sell off to improve the council's wealth??

]]> Thu, 19 Dec 2013 12:59:53 UTC 16449496 miss Clare Davies [Signature #646] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16449315?utm_medium=rss Thu, 19 Dec 2013 12:20:46 UTC 16449315 jodie lamb [Signature #645] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16446666?utm_medium=rss water sports are an excellent way for children to exercise whilst having fun, by closing the facility we are giving them one more reason to stay indoors behind a computer screen.

]]> Thu, 19 Dec 2013 03:05:59 UTC 16446666 Mrs Teresa Hayes [Signature #644] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16446564?utm_medium=rss Thu, 19 Dec 2013 02:49:58 UTC 16446564 mr kenneth hayes [Signature #643] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16446474?utm_medium=rss Thu, 19 Dec 2013 02:31:32 UTC 16446474 mr Nigel Cornell [Signature #642] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16446335?utm_medium=rss Typical bleeding council, penny pinching,

]]> Thu, 19 Dec 2013 01:58:25 UTC 16446335 Emma Jemison [Signature #641] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16446193?utm_medium=rss Thu, 19 Dec 2013 01:27:15 UTC 16446193 Miss Clare Murray [Signature #640] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16445949?utm_medium=rss Thu, 19 Dec 2013 12:27:29 UTC 16445949 Mrs Yvonne graves [Signature #639] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16444618?utm_medium=rss Wed, 18 Dec 2013 06:56:51 UTC 16444618 Mr Michael Body [Signature #638] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16444544?utm_medium=rss Wed, 18 Dec 2013 06:38:09 UTC 16444544 Mrs Clare Jemison [Signature #637] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16444355?utm_medium=rss Wed, 18 Dec 2013 06:00:28 UTC 16444355 john summerfield [Signature #636] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16444302?utm_medium=rss Wed, 18 Dec 2013 05:49:25 UTC 16444302 midori Tramaseur [Signature #635] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16443911?utm_medium=rss Wed, 18 Dec 2013 04:29:15 UTC 16443911 Mr Anthony Howarth [Signature #634] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16440723?utm_medium=rss Wed, 18 Dec 2013 05:51:20 UTC 16440723 Miss Hannah Tramaseur [Signature #633] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16440440?utm_medium=rss Wed, 18 Dec 2013 04:59:19 UTC 16440440 MR Toby Tramaseur [Signature #632] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16440401?utm_medium=rss Wed, 18 Dec 2013 04:53:22 UTC 16440401 Mrs Jan Kelly [Signature #631] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16433937?utm_medium=rss Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:34:12 UTC 16433937 Mr Andy Turner [Signature #630] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16433498?utm_medium=rss Why close such a wonderful resource that is accessible to all simply to save money in the short term.

]]> Tue, 17 Dec 2013 09:56:01 UTC 16433498 Ms Dina Da silva [Signature #629] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16432993?utm_medium=rss Tue, 17 Dec 2013 08:45:50 UTC 16432993 Mr David Buchanan [Signature #628] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16432338?utm_medium=rss Centres such as these, particularly in or near urban areas, provide essential publicservices.
Closure of this resource will have an impact on public health, youth motivation and community morale.
It is even more dissapointing when there has been a huge increase in the numbers of people involved in sport in the UK since the annoucement of the 2012 Olympics.

]]> Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:31:56 UTC 16432338 Mr Kerrill Kindleysides [Signature #627] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16431645?utm_medium=rss Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:04:24 UTC 16431645 Miss Jayne Cheetham [Signature #626] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16431290?utm_medium=rss Please support Sale Water park sports centre this is in the heart of our community and gives people a chance to take part in water activities.

]]> Tue, 17 Dec 2013 05:22:51 UTC 16431290 Anonymous [Signature #625] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16430127?utm_medium=rss Tue, 17 Dec 2013 02:42:54 UTC 16430127 Mrs Anonymous [Signature #624] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16429953?utm_medium=rss Tue, 17 Dec 2013 02:22:16 UTC 16429953 Mr Matthew McCann [Signature #623] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16422626?utm_medium=rss Don't close the water sports centre, filmed there with MCFC U18 team and was thoroughly impressed with the service and provisions they offered.

]]> Mon, 16 Dec 2013 02:47:47 UTC 16422626 Mr Robert Coppin [Signature #622] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16422456?utm_medium=rss It was a delight to see the canoes and sailing boats on the lake. A really good activity for the youngsters and attracted people to come to the Water Park and enjoy the facilities.
Please save our Centre

]]> Mon, 16 Dec 2013 02:02:38 UTC 16422456 Mr Anonymous [Signature #621] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16422198?utm_medium=rss Mon, 16 Dec 2013 01:03:36 UTC 16422198 Mrs Anonymous [Signature #620] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16422189?utm_medium=rss Mon, 16 Dec 2013 01:02:09 UTC 16422189 Mrs Anonymous [Signature #619] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16422178?utm_medium=rss The water-park offers fantastic facilies in the area. I used the water park for canoing and boating, in times when people are talking about keeping healthy and fit what a travesty to close. It also offers social friendship etc.

]]> Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:59:37 UTC 16422178 Mrs Anonymous [Signature #618] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16422033?utm_medium=rss I have used Sale Water Park frequently, both with my own children and with school groups. It's a wonderful facility to have on our doorstep and it would be a great pity to lose it.

]]> Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:31:43 UTC 16422033 Mr Peter Wilkins [Signature #617] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16421954?utm_medium=rss Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:18:35 UTC 16421954 Mrs Susan Coppin [Signature #616] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16421552?utm_medium=rss The loss of this facility to the local community and clubs that frequent Sale Water park will be a devastating blow for the area. Such a unique place to bring the family, rain or shine and treasured by the locals who come to bike, jog, walk their dogs, ride their horses, fish and enjoy the wildlife that inhabit the lake.
The initial investment and development of this park will have all been for nothing. It has already seen major cuts to the maintenance and upkeep of the lake, trees, fences and pathways which have declined to a very poor standard.
It would seem that the Metro line and station are the priority now and everyone will have to fit in with this intrusion, like it or not.

]]> Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:22:54 UTC 16421552 Mr John Denton [Signature #615] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16419435?utm_medium=rss Hope the waterpark activities can be saved.

]]> Mon, 16 Dec 2013 09:25:23 UTC 16419435 Mrs Ruth Brown [Signature #614] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16416179?utm_medium=rss Our school have used these facilities on several occasions and have gained much in the way of confidence from the activities they have taken part in whilst there. It would be greatly missed if it shut.

]]> Mon, 16 Dec 2013 04:56:16 UTC 16416179 Mrs Christine Hale [Signature #613] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16410931?utm_medium=rss Maybe some of our "HONEST, NOT!! MPs should donate their future, unjustified payrises towards the running costs of the water park facilities.

]]> Sun, 15 Dec 2013 10:28:26 UTC 16410931 Mr Norman Hale [Signature #612] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16410843?utm_medium=rss Typical move of the "I'M ALRIGHT JACK BRIGADE!!"

]]> Sun, 15 Dec 2013 10:22:24 UTC 16410843 Mr Neill Walker [Signature #611] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16407928?utm_medium=rss Sun, 15 Dec 2013 06:45:15 UTC 16407928 Mrs Yasmin Nally [Signature #610] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16406788?utm_medium=rss Sun, 15 Dec 2013 04:23:58 UTC 16406788 Mrs Linda Smitham [Signature #609] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16406542?utm_medium=rss Sun, 15 Dec 2013 02:53:14 UTC 16406542 Ms Alyson Lamb [Signature #608] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16406536?utm_medium=rss Sun, 15 Dec 2013 02:51:28 UTC 16406536 SJ Bell [Signature #607] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16406357?utm_medium=rss Trafford Borough Council waste millions on futile, hopeless road realignments at (for example) White City and at Carrington, then hope to save a comparatively tiny amount of money by killing off a facility that is loved and used by Trafford people, with no democratic oversight or debate whatsoever. Why is this not subject to judicial review?
Your priorities are utterly out of whack. Shame on you!

]]> Sun, 15 Dec 2013 01:34:30 UTC 16406357 mr warren cassidy [Signature #606] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16405483?utm_medium=rss Sun, 15 Dec 2013 08:37:13 UTC 16405483 Mrs Ann Webster [Signature #605] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16405458?utm_medium=rss Sun, 15 Dec 2013 08:31:44 UTC 16405458 Dr Peter Webster [Signature #604] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16405450?utm_medium=rss Sun, 15 Dec 2013 08:30:25 UTC 16405450 Anonymous [Signature #603] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16405320?utm_medium=rss Sun, 15 Dec 2013 07:54:27 UTC 16405320 ms aleesha khan [Signature #602] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16405318?utm_medium=rss Sun, 15 Dec 2013 07:54:15 UTC 16405318 Mr John Dawson [Signature #601] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16404961?utm_medium=rss Sun, 15 Dec 2013 06:06:31 UTC 16404961 mr paul fleury [Signature #600] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16404831?utm_medium=rss fresh air and outdoor pursuits are very important to both young and old. Having a facility like Sale Water Park on our door step
should be promoted not discarded.

]]> Sun, 15 Dec 2013 05:29:18 UTC 16404831 mr Keir Faulkner [Signature #599] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16404767?utm_medium=rss this will be a sad loss to the whole of Manchester, no boats, no windsurfing, canoeing, car parking (That will go to Tram users) or water sports at all.

]]> Sun, 15 Dec 2013 05:10:14 UTC 16404767 Mrs Anonymous [Signature #598] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16404226?utm_medium=rss Sun, 15 Dec 2013 02:58:18 UTC 16404226 Mrs Sarah Hart [Signature #597] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16401826?utm_medium=rss Sat, 14 Dec 2013 01:44:28 UTC 16401826 Anonymous [Signature #596] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16401439?utm_medium=rss Sat, 14 Dec 2013 11:15:05 UTC 16401439 Mr Glynn Dockry [Signature #595] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16401402?utm_medium=rss Al my family members have enjoyed using the facilities at the water park. My sons have taken part in sailing courses. My father uses the water park weekly.

I feel it will be a great loss to the area.

]]> Sat, 14 Dec 2013 11:05:20 UTC 16401402 Mr Anonymous [Signature #594] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16401264?utm_medium=rss Sat, 14 Dec 2013 10:26:03 UTC 16401264 mr Stewart Dunmore [Signature #593] https://www.gopetition.com/signature/locate/16401210?utm_medium=rss Sat, 14 Dec 2013 10:03:31 UTC 16401210